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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    What it comes down to is "What kind of QB to you want to recruit?" That IMO is probably the biggest conundrum of any option coach right now trying to compete in DI.

    If you have a guy like Chandler Burks and Jaybo Shaw in order to be "balanced" in the passing game you will pay for it in the option game because you have to hold blocks on the edge a lot longer for them to makes plays on the perimeter unlike with guys like Shai Werts Jerick McKinnon. I've seen more than a few plays that guys like Shai Werts and McKinnon can turn into 5-10 yard gains that are minimal gains with a "standard" dual-threat QB. That means you could be sacrificing athleticism at A-back in exchange for good blocking ability to make it work.

    IMO, we should continue to recruit athletes at QB (i.e. the way we always have) and put the guy in there that can run the option game well and has a decent arm. In my mind, the offensive statistics for 2012 versus 2011 show that that model is superior than recruiting a QB specifically for "passing balance". IMO 2015 also showed you can still score points with a limited passing game so long as you have a good OL (and I consider it realistic we can have a line that talented every season). You need a guy that can at least complete some of the passes to one-on-one matchups downfield but you don't need a guy that can watch 4 receivers and anticipate which one is going to come open.

    And for the guys that would say "you can recruit A-backs that are athletic and can block and you can recruit guys that are athletic as Werts that can throw". Doesn't work like that.


    Big difference between Chandler Burks and Jaybo as runners, though. Neither were fast, but Burks was an effective power runner (think Chaz as a senior) who consistently got yards and scored a ton of touchdowns.

    If I were recruiting QBs, I’d look for the most dynamic sub 6’1” QBs I could sign, as long as they had the minimum athletic ability to get yards on read option plays.

    This means that they could be really effective passers (think Seth Shuman or Jaybo Shaw, both of whom are right at the cut-off for being athletic enough to make plays on read option), or really explosive runners (think McKinnon, Jayson).

    If we sign enough of them, develop them adequately, and scheme to their strengths, we will be fine.

    A good OC should be able to tailor this or a similar offense around any explosive QB.

    I’m always skeptical of tall QBs, because every team in the country scouts a tall QB. If they’re dynamic throwers, they can play for anybody. If they are dynamic runners, they can play WR for almost anybody. Go look at the footage for “Gregory Spann” and ask yourself whether we have a chance in hades of signing him. Go look at Jaden Jenkins film and tell me that most recruiters didn’t know about his medical condition. That’s the reason we signed him.

    However, if we focus on dynamic QBs, we should be able to compete for the shorter ones. And if we’re real lucky, a Tracy Ham or Russell Wilson might fall through the cracks to us. We should EXPECT to get Greg Hills, Kevin Ellisons, and J.R. Reveres year-in and year-out.
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  2. #192

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    Quote Originally Posted by straightshooter View Post
    The passing will help make that 300 ypg rushing total happen. Sacks were disturbing to say the least. OL has to shore that up and QB has to get rid of the ball quicker. WR have to run crisp routes, make cuts and get separation - ball has to be thrown on time though. Easier said than done, but that's the process.....
    Yeah, and it’s possible we need to re-design our passing concepts and spend more time working on the passing game.

    If Jayson Foster could complete 70% of his passes for over 100 ypg, anyone should be able to do that.

    Well, maybe not Jerick McKinnon, but anyone else.
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  3. #193

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    I know that the coaches were excited and thought they had what they wanted at QB with the kid from Louisville, who was a big strong kid that could run and throw. He was not a Shai Werts type guy, but was the type guy they wanted to build the offense around. They thought he was gonna be really special. Maybe I've missed it, but there doesn't appear to be anyone on our recruiting radar like him. Correct me if that's wrong. We need to keep up the faith though because when we get that one "GUY" it will change everything.
    His medical condition HAD to be known during the recruiting cycle, or we probably don’t sign him.
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    Pop quiz... which offense historically throws the ball more at GS? Flexbone (Erk/PJ/Monken) or Gun Option (Fritz/Lunsford)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pike51 View Post
    Pop quiz... which offense historically throws the ball more at GS? Flexbone (Erk/PJ/Monken) or Gun Option (Fritz/Lunsford)
    I’d imagine strictly from memory that apart from Monken it’s pretty close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GATAlac El Dorado View Post
    I’d imagine strictly from memory that apart from Monken it’s pretty close.
    Top 10 passers (single season)
    1. Henton 1852
    2. Clark 1808
    3. Chapple 1774
    4. Ham. 1772
    5. Ham 1694
    6. Gross 1534
    7. Shaw 1476
    8. Ham 1405
    9. Hill 1262
    10. Revere 1247

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pike51 View Post
    Top 10 passers (single season)
    1. Henton 1852
    2. Clark 1808
    3. Chapple 1774
    4. Ham. 1772
    5. Ham 1694
    6. Gross 1534
    7. Shaw 1476
    8. Ham 1405
    9. Hill 1262
    10. Revere 1247
    Not surprising to me at all. And what is the w - l record under each quarterback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Touchdown View Post
    Note: You DID say ANY offense, which includes what UGA is doing - so maybe you can admit a mistake with the "ANY offense" insert?

    When did I ever retract from that statement? If we wanted to run what UGA does we most certainly could and I never said otherwise.
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    I actually considered getting into a debate with Half one time (on something unimportant). But then chickened out because I knew my a$$ was about to get handed to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimojoe View Post
    Works two ways. The further we get away, and the more bad results pour in running this type of offense, the more everyone should realize switching from the flexbone was a stupid decision. Again.
    You're 100% correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCM View Post
    Not surprising to me at all. And what is the w - l record under each quarterback?
    I just find it interesting we threw more out of flexbone than shotgun option... you'd think being in the gun would correlate to increased passing. Granted this was just total yards and not attempts but I think it speaks to my point.

    What I also notice is we need to find a true dual QB... like Shaw.

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