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    Quote Originally Posted by gsuoption View Post
    I watched a DeBesse offense pretty extensively at New Mexico.... and have watched all the GASO games this year. The offense can be highly effective, with big play capability, but right now GASO is running power backs with lower big play potential... Probably because no other option exists outside of Kennedy. The "dive man" at New Mexico wasn't a Logan Wright... But the entire offense is predicated on hitting that dive play, which just hasn't been working for GASO this year. You can't get to the edge if that play doesnt work. You can't pass effectively if that play doesn't work.

    New Mexico led the nation in long runs several times under DeBesse, and most of them were the dive man. If you watch the South Alabama game, you can clearly see its just not working for some reason. Either the holes aren't there, the players aren't finding them, or the player doesn't have the speed or ability to break it open..

    This likely means GASO has problems on the offensive line or at running back. Logan and JD are good players, but they aren't the kinds of guys that allowed DeBesse and New Mexico to lead the nation in rushing yards per game. They are short yardage guys. They aren't going to break open huge runs.

    Lastly... I will say that DeBesse is a really good offensive coordinator. You don't lead the nation in big plays, lead the nation in rushing, etc at a horrible program like New Mexico if you don't know what you are doing... GASO has a personnel problem this year.

    They either need to solve the problem with the dive play, or start attacking the perimeter way more than they are now to try and setup the dive play, instead of the other way around. DeBesse always uses the dive to setup everything else, but that will need to change if they can't figure out how to make the dive more effective. This offense should be hitting 2-3 plays over 50 yards per game... It's not meant to be a 3-4 yard per play offense. It needs some big plays, and he's always had them until this year. Aren't getting any big plays.
    Great post. Whether due to graduation or injury, we only have 2/5 offensive lineman playing from last year.

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    Debesse got fired at New Mexico. Nothing else needs to be said.
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  3. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimojoe View Post
    Debesse got fired at New Mexico. Nothing else needs to be said.
    "Under DeBesse’s watch, the 2016 Lobos set a school record for points (477) and scoring average, averaging 36.7 points per game, and also featured two 1,000 yard rushers for the first time in school history. In 2017, the Lobos’ again finished in the top 20 nationally in rushing offense, averaging over 230 yards per game on the ground.


    In the 2015 season, the Lobos led the nation in total plays of 60 or more yards (11) and 70 or more yards (7). The Lobos added a deadly aerial attack as well and the team threw three touchdown passes of 80 or more yards in the final five games of the season. The Lobo rushing attack again finished in the top 10 nationally, led by Jhurell Pressley, who ended his career with the second-most rushing touchdowns in school history.


    In the 2014 season, UNM once again finished in the top five in rushing nationally, averaging 310.4 yards per game. The Lobos were the only team in the nation to finish in the top five from 2012-14 with an average of 300 yards or more, and that was all under DeBesse. The Lobos were explosive as well, ranking in the top three nationally in most runs of 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 yards for the season, and led the nation in most 50 and 60 yard rushes.


    The 2013 offense’s 40 rushing touchdowns were two shy of the 1971 team record of 42. The unit also produced 5,062 yards, becoming just the sixth Lobo offensive unit to surpass the 5,000-yard mark. In 2012, the Lobos had the most improved rushing offense in the nation, going from 113.3 yards per game (ranking 103rd in rushing in ‘11) to 301.3 yards per game (ranking fifth in ‘12)."

    What a terrible OC.

  4. Default Re: OC Needs to Settle On Offensive Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimojoe View Post
    Debesse got fired at New Mexico. Nothing else needs to be said.
    In what I believe was a horrible decision by a failed coach in Bob Davie... You lead the nation in big plays, lead the nation in rushing, have a top 5 rushing offense 3-4 years in a row, break a bunch of school records, average about 37 points per game....... and FIRE the offensive coordinator?

    The year after they fired DeBesse they finished next to last in the Mountain West in offense. Davie is about to lose his job. New Mexico is basically a football abyss... known as one of the most difficult jobs in the country.

    So, I don't agree with you that nothing more needs to be said on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsuoption View Post
    I watched a DeBesse offense pretty extensively at New Mexico.... and have watched all the GASO games this year. The offense can be highly effective, with big play capability, but right now GASO is running power backs with lower big play potential... Probably because no other option exists outside of Kennedy. The "dive man" at New Mexico wasn't a Logan Wright... But the entire offense is predicated on hitting that dive play, which just hasn't been working for GASO this year. You can't get to the edge if that play doesnt work. You can't pass effectively if that play doesn't work.

    New Mexico led the nation in long runs several times under DeBesse, and most of them were the dive man. If you watch the South Alabama game, you can clearly see its just not working for some reason. Either the holes aren't there, the players aren't finding them, or the player doesn't have the speed or ability to break it open..

    This likely means GASO has problems on the offensive line or at running back. Logan and JD are good players, but they aren't the kinds of guys that allowed DeBesse and New Mexico to lead the nation in rushing yards per game. They are short yardage guys. They aren't going to break open huge runs.

    Lastly... I will say that DeBesse is a really good offensive coordinator. You don't lead the nation in big plays, lead the nation in rushing, etc at a horrible program like New Mexico if you don't know what you are doing... GASO has a personnel problem this year.

    They either need to solve the problem with the dive play, or start attacking the perimeter way more than they are now to try and setup the dive play, instead of the other way around. DeBesse always uses the dive to setup everything else, but that will need to change if they can't figure out how to make the dive more effective. This offense should be hitting 2-3 plays over 50 yards per game... It's not meant to be a 3-4 yard per play offense. It needs some big plays, and he's always had them until this year. Aren't getting any big plays.
    I agree with most of this, other than I think Logan and JD CAN break it open if they have the holes. If they were making runs of 20-30 yards and getting caught from behind, then I would agree with you. But they aren't. They are getting slammed in the hole or barely making it to the LB level.
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    Don't bother responding to him gsuoption, he's a miserable idiot troll. He's even short enough to qualify as a troll.

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    Default Re: OC Needs to Settle On Offensive Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by gsuoption View Post
    In what I believe was a horrible decision by a failed coach in Bob Davie... You lead the nation in big plays, lead the nation in rushing, have a top 5 rushing offense 3-4 years in a row, break a bunch of school records, average about 37 points per game....... and FIRE the offensive coordinator?

    The year after they fired DeBesse they finished next to last in the Mountain West in offense. Davie is about to lose his job. New Mexico is basically a football abyss... known as one of the most difficult jobs in the country.

    So, I don't agree with you that nothing more needs to be said on that.
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    Because.... We're idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdarnell233 View Post
    "Under DeBesse’s watch, the 2016 Lobos set a school record for points (477) and scoring average, averaging 36.7 points per game, and also featured two 1,000 yard rushers for the first time in school history. In 2017, the Lobos’ again finished in the top 20 nationally in rushing offense, averaging over 230 yards per game on the ground.


    In the 2015 season, the Lobos led the nation in total plays of 60 or more yards (11) and 70 or more yards (7). The Lobos added a deadly aerial attack as well and the team threw three touchdown passes of 80 or more yards in the final five games of the season. The Lobo rushing attack again finished in the top 10 nationally, led by Jhurell Pressley, who ended his career with the second-most rushing touchdowns in school history.


    In the 2014 season, UNM once again finished in the top five in rushing nationally, averaging 310.4 yards per game. The Lobos were the only team in the nation to finish in the top five from 2012-14 with an average of 300 yards or more, and that was all under DeBesse. The Lobos were explosive as well, ranking in the top three nationally in most runs of 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 yards for the season, and led the nation in most 50 and 60 yard rushes.


    The 2013 offense’s 40 rushing touchdowns were two shy of the 1971 team record of 42. The unit also produced 5,062 yards, becoming just the sixth Lobo offensive unit to surpass the 5,000-yard mark. In 2012, the Lobos had the most improved rushing offense in the nation, going from 113.3 yards per game (ranking 103rd in rushing in ‘11) to 301.3 yards per game (ranking fifth in ‘12)."

    What a terrible OC.
    If our O was doing numbers like those nobody would be complaining.

    On another note looking at some those school records really puts into perspective how good some of our offenses have been. For example school record for avg points is 36.7. We've averaged 50 before which is nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsuoption View Post
    I watched a DeBesse offense pretty extensively at New Mexico.... and have watched all the GASO games this year. The offense can be highly effective, with big play capability, but right now GASO is running power backs with lower big play potential... Probably because no other option exists outside of Kennedy. The "dive man" at New Mexico wasn't a Logan Wright... But the entire offense is predicated on hitting that dive play, which just hasn't been working for GASO this year. You can't get to the edge if that play doesnt work. You can't pass effectively if that play doesn't work.

    New Mexico led the nation in long runs several times under DeBesse, and most of them were the dive man. If you watch the South Alabama game, you can clearly see its just not working for some reason. Either the holes aren't there, the players aren't finding them, or the player doesn't have the speed or ability to break it open..

    This likely means GASO has problems on the offensive line or at running back. Logan and JD are good players, but they aren't the kinds of guys that allowed DeBesse and New Mexico to lead the nation in rushing yards per game. They are short yardage guys. They aren't going to break open huge runs.

    Lastly... I will say that DeBesse is a really good offensive coordinator. You don't lead the nation in big plays, lead the nation in rushing, etc at a horrible program like New Mexico if you don't know what you are doing... GASO has a personnel problem this year.

    They either need to solve the problem with the dive play, or start attacking the perimeter way more than they are now to try and setup the dive play, instead of the other way around. DeBesse always uses the dive to setup everything else, but that will need to change if they can't figure out how to make the dive more effective. This offense should be hitting 2-3 plays over 50 yards per game... It's not meant to be a 3-4 yard per play offense. It needs some big plays, and he's always had them until this year. Aren't getting any big plays.
    That said, Richard McQuarley was exactly the kind of back we have in Logan Wright, and he got a lot of carries in 2016-17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ Eagle View Post
    I agree with most of this, other than I think Logan and JD CAN break it open if they have the holes. If they were making runs of 20-30 yards and getting caught from behind, then I would agree with you. But they aren't. They are getting slammed in the hole or barely making it to the LB level.
    Doesn't matter what anyone’s capabilities are if they keep running into a wall.

    TS proved that with Breida.

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