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Thread: CJM Army and the Flexbone

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    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    FIFY
    They definitely have a weak schedule, but I'm not sure why you're harping on it when Georgia Southern's schedule is much weaker. There are several SOS formulas out there, but to pick just two, Army is No. 99 in Sagarin and No. 74 in the NCAA rating, while GSU is No. 132 in Sagarin and No. 100 in NCAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaSouFan6 View Post
    Using advanced stats, their defense was actually quite mediocre-to-poor. They were No. 59 in FBS in defensive points per drive and even worse in the more situational defensive advanced stats. The offense definitely masked a mediocre defense.
    The same advanced stats would tell you they were a mediocre offense too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaSouFan6 View Post
    They definitely have a weak schedule, but I'm not sure why you're harping on it when Georgia Southern's schedule is much weaker. There are several SOS formulas out there, but to pick just two, Army is No. 99 in Sagarin and No. 74 in the NCAA rating, while GSU is No. 132 in Sagarin and No. 100 in NCAA.
    Thatís great but I never said a word about any kind of comparison.
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    I actually considered getting into a debate with Half one time (on something unimportant). But then chickened out because I knew my a$$ was about to get handed to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt3412 View Post
    The same advanced stats would tell you they were a mediocre offense too.
    No, they wouldn't. They were a pretty efficient offense this year. Not very explosive, but they moved the ball well and held on to the ball.

    http://www.bcftoys.com/2018-ppd

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei

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    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    Thatís great but I never said a word about any kind of comparison.
    Okay, cool. Hook 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaSouFan6 View Post
    No, they wouldn't. They were a pretty efficient offense this year. Not very explosive, but they moved the ball well and held on to the ball.

    http://www.bcftoys.com/2018-ppd

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei
    52nd in S&P. Isn't that the end all be all of advanced stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt3412 View Post
    52nd in S&P. Isn't that the end all be all of advanced stats?
    It has that reputation, and I find it useful to look at. But I also think it focuses too much on the trees rather than the forest. To me, the end game for an offense is to score points. That's why I like points per drive as the metric I look at most. S&P has a hyper focus on smaller, more discrete parts of the game, which definitely has its purposes. But I think focusing too much on what an offense does in particular sequences at the expense of what outcomes it actually produces, doesn't clarify as much as stat heads say it does.

    S&P also weighs garbage time differently than other metrics, I believe. And I think that hurts teams like Army and Georgia Southern more because they control pace and thus don't put up numbers for the sake of putting up numbers. In that sense, I think S&P has a built-in bias against eating clock and controlling the game in favor of offenses that compile numbers. I get the argument in favor of doing so, but I think that just presupposes all teams have the same talent and thus a certain style of offense is objectively "correct," which I don't believe is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSUNCSU View Post
    but 11 times it worked...
    First time that happened in over a 100 years, itís not exactly the norm for the program.

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    If it wasn't for the the flexbone and Coach Monken. We wouldn't even be talking about Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglefan200 View Post
    If it wasn't for the the flexbone and Coach Monken. We wouldn't even be talking about Army.
    And if PJ hadnít coached here, we would never talk about GT.....

    Your point??

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